Post by hibbsaOn BoI someone recommended this book
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I looked at the chapters and didn't see anything about fungibility...and
I guess Deutsch.
I don't think MWI is correct, but....what do I do see is that his -
Deutsch's - realization about fungibility is the most important and
reasoned idea within MWI. You have to have it. You can't explain the
wave-function as it is before it is interupted without fungibility.
Not wanting to teach people to suck eggs but clearly, if you go down a
thousand metres into granite, all on your own, and set up a little
science lab and do the two-slit experiment. If you are seeing an
interuption, and if the explanation is going to be MWI-esque, then there
has to be a multiverse of other worlds, identical enough, that someone
just like you, just went 1000 metres into granite with the same just
the same kit and just the same ideas...such that he just did that same
experiment in the same instance such that you all get the wave function.
I think some of the language there is loose, but yes. That's the idea. There exist copies of you in other universes. Right now there are fungible copies of you which will become differentiated from you because of choices you make and because quantum events differentiate universes in which copies of you exist.
I'm not sure what the story about the person entering a granite hole 1000m deep is about. Is it just supposed to be strange enough that it seems improbably more than one person would do this? That's not that strange. We know what David has previously called "Harry Potter Universes" are real. These are places in the multiverse where everytime someone raises a wand, they can shout a command and lightening bolts can issue forth and strike down evil people. This happens. In some vanishingly small measure of universes. But it is wrong to think that the wand, the raising of it or the commands cause the lightning. It just so happens, in that universes, lightning bolts always follow such a sequence. But the next time someone tries this, it has exactly the same probability of occurring as it does h
ere. Namely, very, very close to zero.
I personally find none of this more amazing than contemplating what evaporation is. Yes...evaporation.
Consider first boiling water in one's kettle. It's at 100 Celsius, so why does it turn to gas? Well that's what water does at that temp at sea level. Why? Because temperature, to a first approximation is a measure of the kinetic energy of molecules. How much they are vibrating, that is. With water, they need to vibrate a lot to overcome molecular forces that keep them bound one to another. At 100 Celsius, and higher, The molecules have sufficient kinetic energy to break free of their neighbours, overcoming the molecular bonding between one molecule and the next and they become gas. Okay, well who cares?
Well what about evaporation?
Consider a luke warm glass of water - say about 30 celcius. Why does it, eventually, turn all to gas if it is not over the magic temperature of "boiling". Well the thing is that some of it - some few molecules - actually *are* over 100 Celsius even though on the other hand this statement makes no sense. After all, temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy. To be precise, the (Boltzmann) distribution of all the molecules is centred around 30 celcius but some few are at or over 100 and some are below freezing.
In short, for pretty much any cold glass of water, some molecules are boiling. That, to me, is counterintuitive in the same way as any strageness that happens with the MW. It's simply a consequence of the explanation and consistent with how the mathematics describes what's *really* going on. I can no more reject the fact that there are some molecules of water - which are "boiling" in a glass of cool, 10 degree water, than I can reject that in a multiverse where I'm sitting here typing this reply to you...some small number of me is down a granite shaft doing an experiment.
Post by hibbsaYet it doesn't get mentioned by other proponents of the theory. Weird.
What's "it", exactly? People going down holes? Strange stuff? Well they might skirt the issue for bad philosophical issues. They might not talk about those Harry Potter universes. If you do *not* understand the whole explanation but you *can* understand what a Harry Potter universe is, and reject it on the basis of implausibility, then you will regard this as a successful criticism of MWI. You're wrong, but you don't know it. Because you have bad understanding and bad philosophy.
The lesson here is: don't open with Harry Potter universes, people going down holes or anything truly out there. Do what David does in FoR. Write a brilliant chapter called "Shadows" and just explain clearly how the *only* explanation we know of is the MWI to make sense of the twin slit experiment.
Apparently some other physicists are *not* taking it seriously enough. Maybe if they actually say how strange quantum theory really is, people will think *they* are strange. I get the impression this sort of thing happens a lot in physics. Some "macho" physicists want to be uber 'conservative' in saying 'we are not sure what this means' and as David shows this means they end up spouting absolute nonsense. It has always been the case. That it has been the case, on this issue, for so many decades now, is a travesty. It's as if most biologists were *still* committed to creationism while saying that evolution by natural selection as described first by Darwin, works only to make predictions (and, they admit, better than any other biological theory ever). We don't know who the creator is, they m
ight say, or how the guiding hand of that creation works (and there's no point asking these questions either) but we do know it seems "as if" mutations and natural selection is occurring. But we also know that's ridiculous...and no serious biologists would believe such a silly idea.
Brett.
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